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@marcan@treehouse.systems theres also a lack of official restore/revive tools for apple silicon when it comes to windows and linux- it may not be "bricked" but those recovery tools can't be used unless you know someone who owns another mac or live near enough to an apple store
@hayden@procursus.social@ipg @marcan [social.treehouse.systems] anti-poverty measures
@marcan [social.treehouse.systems] @ipg Correct for official tools, for unofficial there's always idevicerestore :)
@nicolas17 @marcan@treehouse.systems yeah, unofficial tools exist with varying degrees of support and a game of guessing whether itll work on windows - this should *really* be provided, officially, by apple, as great as it is that the community has stepped in
can idevicerestore match the functionality of apple configurator? eg doing a DFU ""Revive"" (reinstalling just system firmware and recoveryOS afaict) rather than a full restore that wipes user data?
@marcan [social.treehouse.systems] @ipg I wonder if the new Apple Devices app (intended to replace the iPhone-restore functionality of iTunes) will support restoring Macs... or what's their excuse not to.
@ipg @nicolas17 @marcan [social.treehouse.systems] a DFU revive is literally a restore but only using the update ramdisk (data preserved, OS reinstalled) vs the restore ramdisk (wipe everything)
(to anyone unaware, yes, you can update an idevice using MobileDevice (the underlying subsystem behind iTunes/Configurator/Finder iDevice interaction), it uses a different ramdisk from OTA ramdisk boots)
@marcan [social.treehouse.systems] @amarioguy @ipg doesn't iTunes/Finder still have user-visible Update and Restore buttons? 
@nicolas17 @marcan [social.treehouse.systems] @ipg yep well aware, just more in case people unfamiliar with iTunes based restores thought that you could *only* do ota updates
@amarioguy @marcan [social.treehouse.systems] @ipg in my days there were no OTA updates in the first place, iTunes had to download the whole-ass ipsw and then transfer it to the phone uphill through the snow both ways *waves cane* 
@nicolas17 @marcan [social.treehouse.systems] @ipg I also remember the days when iDevice software updates weren't forced to be authorized per device, per version on every install by public Tatsu 
@amarioguy @nicolas17 @marcan@treehouse.systems and yet you still needed an internet connection for iTunes to download WTF mode... 