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@ipg I remember :(
@ipg Good to remember that the next time Google does an "embrace and extend" strategy on open standards.
@tchambers @ipg this is one of the reasons I’m have problems with their codecs, eg. VP9
@janantos @tchambers @ipg Precisely! That is why I have WebP, WebM and VP9 disabled in Firefox and refuse to use them. If it is controlled by Google, it doesn't matter if it's opensource or royalty free — sure, you can fork it, but everyone will still use their implementation. Just yesterday I was reading how they are trying to get rid of JPEG XL on the grounds that there is no demand for it, looks like there is, them having no control over it seems to be the real reason: https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/07/apple_safari_jpeg_xl/
@m0xee @tchambers @ipg would be great if the EU commission will deal with it, as this is from my perspective misuse of dominant position on market.
@muppeth @tchambers @ipg google has an official account?
@ipg Embrace Extend Extinguish. It's why some instance admins are preemptively blocking Tumblr
@ipg wow... Earthlink
@uint8_t@chaos.social@ipg also a good reminder that in this exercise Google Talk / Hangouts pretty much died out
@clacke@libranet.de
@ipg waiting for them to revamp Google+ under a different project name
@ipg I will never forgive them
@ipg that one really hurt jabber :-(
@ipg To be clear, they had been defederated for a _while_ by the rest of the XMPP for refusing to implement SSL/TLS for s2s connections.
@ipg (Also, Facebook chat was for a long while just XMPP without the federation)
@ipg Server Choice ❱ No
@ipg And they are at it again with email, employing the same practices. -.-'
All in the name of fighting spam and malware. :-/
@aspie4K@aspiechattr.me@ipg Embrace, Extend, Extinguish
@ipg they kinda do it with email. pretty much impossible to reliably deliver email to a gmail inbox from an independently hosted email server.
all the dkim, spf and dmarc in the world isn't going to help you.
@wiredfire@mas.to@ipg XMPP is brilliant. I used to be able to chat with Facebook Messenger uses from Google Talk. Wild times. Sucks that all the major players built their audience with it then locked the doors.
Even WhatsApp essentially, as I understand it, still use XMPP just locked off from anyone else 
Maybe with the fediverse interest someone can cook up a federated Discord equivalent based on XMPP 
@wiredfire XMPP protocol extensions support a lot of nice to have Discord features! the biggest issue would just be a client that has a similar UX. or just a good UX in general, that's something i can't find in any client...
@wiredfire@mas.to@ipg in a past professional life it’s something I’d have tinkered with! Alas for now I can but dream 
@ipg@wetdry.world @wiredfire@mas.to i think matrix does a lot better in this regard, most of the clients i've used were actually really pleasant
though it definitely took it's time to get here, considering spaces are still a new feature
@ipg @wiredfire I tried tackling the UI/UX problem with my app Spades but it has yet to reach 1.0 or any publicly usable state. Maybe someday.
@ipg Not just what they took away, but why we should be cautious and pay attention if they ever decide to support the fediverse in any form. People with a history of bait and switch do not deserve trust.
@ipg@wetdry.world the industry standard protocol XMPP
@ipg Google Hangouts will be killed tomorrow.
@ipg Embrace, extend, extinguish.
@ipg@wetdry.world They didn't take anything away from you. You can still use XMPP, but now without using Google's servers which is even better.
@mxk@chaos.social@ipg can't wait for the feediverse relaunch of Google Buzz!
@mxk can't wait for the activitypub dark and gritty reboot of Google Wave
@ipg And every replacement replacement has been smothered in its cradle, taken round the back of the shed and shot, or dressed up in the hand-me-down clothes of one of its murdered siblings.
@ipg i'm really glad you posted this because i'm familiar with "embrace, extend, extinguish" in general, but i wasn't clear on just how extremely easy it is to get a big userbase and then just move off of the federated standard.
@AlgoCompSynth@ravenation.club@ipg Remember when Twitter had an RSS feed?
@danjones000 @ipg @floppy I'm still grieving. My XMPP is still up, I have 4 contacts remaining and we almost never talk (it mostly serves as a local net com with my partner).
I remember messages starting not to get through with GTalk on either side, no error or anything. The thing died off progressively until they pulled the plug.
I will never forgive Google for that. This scar is also probably the reason I will never trust a company ever again with anything.
Whatsapp is also based on xmpp if I remember my readings. They improved it to reduce its verbosity.
But what is annoying is that, whatever the protocol is, they can technically provide an XMPP bridge for basic direct messaging.
But :
-UX will be crap and users would complain (same as feature incompatibility in xmpp/fediverse)
- there is no business model to support that.
@clacke@libranet.de
@ipg It's best to avoid relying on too many Google apps and services.
Hi Emma,
I'm not sure what you're referring to. Can you explain a bit more?
It seems there graphic is confusing too. Google putting out FUD over who you might be federating with, while announcing that you can federate with anyone (including dinner ISPs) over XMPP while also announcing that Google Talk (XMPP} goes bye bye as Google Hangouts (which doesn't support any if this XMPP related stuffs) is replacing Google Talk.
Hangouts goes away now too IIRC.
tallship@jabber.org (Use OMEMO)
@kkarhan@mstdn.social@ipg and that's why we should.never ever allow the #GAFAMs in the #Fediverse!
#FediPact now!!!
https://beach.city/@vantablack/110576631706415533
@ipg "industry standard"
, Dream Witch 
@matoakit@beach.city@ipg Exactly this.
This is why we can't be friends with corporations.